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Old 12-06-2014, 03:08 PM   #41
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For the life of me..... I don't see any point in your reply other than to show how some people are pure racists. BTW, the video that Jeff posted of Reverend Gentry is devoid of racism on his part.

We all know that in too many cases, African-Americans are not treated with the proper respect and if you deny that you're not living in the real world. But that fact does not allow these provocateurs to reek havoc in our cities and towns, closing or destroying public and private property. These nuts as well as too many politicians (including the White House) are putting forth the notion that seemingly most of American police forces are targeting and hunting down young black men. That does not ring true.

Think about the fact that Obama might just have been elected because of his race and not his politics. He was a handsome man and full of promises of hope and change. Unfortunately, we have not seen that hope and change and many things keep getting worse and worse. Scandal after scandal..... talk about a teflon president. How come his popularity with the American people has now fallen below 40% …. it’s not because of his race, but rather what way his is running this country into the ground.

I would say that most conservatives have no issues with his race....... only his politics and how he is trying to change the fabric of our country. Unfortunately this administration keeps pulling out the race card every chance they get which is not adding to his popularity nor accomplishing anything beneficial to ease racial problems in our nation.

As you agree, peaceful protest is good. It's a hallmark of America and therefore, if you feel something is unfair, you should be allowed to demonstrate your dissent. Remember when we saw the evil Tea Party do that a few years ago without any violent or destruction of property. Lets hope this nonsense ends soon....

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Bob... I know your heart is in the right place But cannot agree with your political viewpoints Take no offence
I don't take offense Howie, I have much respect for you, always have. We're just 2 old retired guys spending time matching wits and I enjoy the heck out of matching wits with people, and thouroughly debunking ridiculous conservative talking points. I don't expect you to agree with my political viewpoints either, your conservative. Conservatives have that 1955 missionary sex, minorities and women know their place ideal. By definition are resistant to progress and change. Progressive is a dirty word to conservatives. Doesn't mean I won't make a cogent argument against your positions though, just makes it more challenging....

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For the life of me..... I don't see any point in your reply other than to show how some people are pure racists. BTW, the video that Jeff posted of Reverend Gentry is devoid of racism on his part.
My bad Howie, I quoted the wrong post by JWS, meant it in response to the following post and my point was idiot's come in every color:

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We all know that in too many cases, African-Americans are not treated with the proper respect and if you deny that you're not living in the real world.
Exactly, that's why they are pissed and protesting for equal rights under the law. Again, you make my point for me very clearly

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But that fact does not allow these provocateurs to reek havoc in our cities and towns, closing or destroying public and private property. These nuts as well as too many politicians (including the White House) are putting forth the notion that seemingly most of American police forces are targeting and hunting down young black men. That does not ring true.
What does not ring true is what you wrote here. In fact it's just a complete fabrication not based in reality.

Eric Holder: "As the brother of a retired police officer, I know in a personal way about the bravery of the men and women in uniform who put their lives at risk every day to protect public safety. The vast majority of our law enforcement officers perform their duties honorably and are committed to respecting their fellow citizens civil rights as they carry out their very challenging work.

Obama: *there are issues in which the law too often feels as if it is being applied in discriminatory fashion.* I don't think that's the norm.* I don't think that's true for the majority of communities or the vast majority of law enforcement officials.*



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Think about the fact that Obama might just have been elected because of his race and not his politics. He was a handsome man and full of promises of hope and change. Unfortunately, we have not seen that hope and change and many things keep getting worse and worse. Scandal after scandal..... talk about a teflon president. How come his popularity with the American people has now fallen below 40% …. it’s not because of his race, but rather what way his is running this country into the ground.
Made up scandal after made up scandal, this is just Rove politics Howie. Benghazi, IRS, all these have been thoroughly investigated and.....wait for it..... NOTHING. That's not going to stop you and other conservatives from bringing them up again and again and again though is it.... Yes exactly, things keep getting worse like 10 million more people with health insurance, while the fact is the per capita cost of health care is now growing at the slowest rate in 50 years. (Fact check it) Meanwhile with 10 million more people having health insurance(a terrible thing I know), Obamacare has destroyed the economy hasn't it! Just look, the Dow is at or soon to be past 18,000, over the last 12 months we've added 2.73 million jobs! But wait! November continued the best stretch of consecutive positive job growth since 1939. Actually the longest stretch on record. So yeah Howie, when he took office the country was losing 818,000 jobs a month, 10 million more people were without health insurance and god forbid you get cancer and your insurance company drop your coverage and the DOW was at just above 6500. Certainly all evidence he is running the country into the ground. I just don’t know what to say other than your blind conservatism just amazes me.

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I would say that most conservatives have no issues with his race....... only his politics and how he is trying to change the fabric of our country. Unfortunately this administration keeps pulling out the race card every chance they get which is not adding to his popularity nor accomplishing anything beneficial to ease racial problems in our nation.
No Howie, the administration speaks about race when the country is speaking about race. Trevon Martin, Furgeson, New york, we were all talking about those things before Obama commented on them. When it's a part of the national conversation you can expect the POTUS to address it, that's a very normal thing.

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As you agree, peaceful protest is good. It's a hallmark of America and therefore, if you feel something is unfair, you should be allowed to demonstrate your dissent. Remember when we saw the evil Tea Party do that a few years ago without any violent or destruction of property. Lets hope this nonsense ends soon....
A wise man once told me that we all know that in too many cases, African-Americans are not treated with the proper respect and if you deny that you're not living in the real world. So we should respect their right to peacefully protest. Nobody that I know of condones burning and looting or any other form of violent protest. Do you know anybody in this administration that condones violent protest? Can you show me a singe example of someone from the administration promoting violent protest?

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That's why people are protesting Howie, we can see this with our own eyes. It's seriously fucked up...
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Bob,

The economy, from what I can read, see and hear about anecdotally, is not where it should be. For me to claim I have a working knowledge of the economy would be foolish and way above my pay grade. I do know that I have several young family members who cannot find a full time 40 hour/week job, nor do they have healthcare at this time because they are both immortal and don’t want to pay for it. I’ll rely on some decent and credible data analysis from a reliable source which you will probably scoff at, however it’s hard to misinterpret the information that’s provided: http://www.heritage.org/research/rep...-the-recoverys. Maybe Brian will chime in on what he’s seeing at ground level with regard to employment and employer benefits provided.

Obamacare is another big Federal bureaucracy that the Democrats ramrodded through and on a personal level, every one of my physicians don’t like the ACA for a variety of reasons. Just do a Google search and see how most physicians see the act negatively affecting them and their patients. Here is a great opinion piece from the Wall Street Journal outlining the law's perverse incentives that will have the nation working fewer hours, and working those hours less productively: http://online.wsj.com/articles/casey...ity-1410218437

A recent survey of doctors by the Physicians Foundation finds that most give low grades to Obamacare. Some 46% of the doctors polled gave Obamacare a grade of “D” or “F” and 29% gave it a “C.” From this and other survey’s, it seems likely that a large majority of doctors have strongly negative view of the program although perhaps Roger can tell us what a “C” grade really means.

From the Rasmussen Reports: “Given the problems with the new law, 30% of Likely U.S. Voters still think Congress should repeal it entirely and start over again. But a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 52% prefer instead that Congress go through the law piece by piece and improve it. Just 13% want to leave the law as is.”

According the the Gallup Poll released on 11/17/14, enthusiasm for the law remains underwhelming and a majority of Americans disapprove of Obamacare, at 56 percent — a new high, Gallup said. “The law’s new low in approval — and new high in disapproval (56%) — could potentially have an impact on its future,” the pollster notes.

So then then why do you sit with the minority and claim that the ACA is so wonderful for us all?

I suspect that as long as we have a 24/7 cable news cycle that thrives on calamity, people will continue to be convinced that things are worse than they really are. O wise one, I’m glad you offer us a ray of hope.

By the way, here are some of the outside provocateurs and loony left wing groups that showed up in Ferguson as well as other hot spots across the nation. Just Google each group and "Ferguson" and you'll see their participation in protest....... As we know, not all of it was peaceful. Will any of the law breakers be prosecuted? You let me know of any news stories where any of these shitheads get prosecuted. If you remember, during the Presidential election Black Panthers taunted and made threats to whites and man with a night stick announced, “‘We’re tired of white supremacy.’ Did the first black attorney general send the FBI to arrest and then prosecute the Black Panthers or voter intimidation, HELL NO.

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I’m not going to debate you on the Obama administration scandals……. it would be futile to even try. Maybe because you’re a obsequious Obama bootlicker who’ll never believe that anyone in this administration has even a pimple on their ass. Or it could also be that you’re an eternal optimist hoping that your fella is gonna work out and be viewed as a great president in future history books.
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The economy, from what I can read, see and hear about anecdotally, is not where it should be. For me to claim I have a working knowledge of the economy would be foolish and way above my pay grade. I do know that I have several young family members who cannot find a full time 40 hour/week job, nor do they have healthcare at this time because they are both immortal and don’t want to pay for it. I’ll rely on some decent and credible data analysis from a reliable source which you will probably scoff at, however it’s hard to misinterpret the information that’s provided: http://www.heritage.org/research/rep...-the-recoverys. Maybe Brian will chime in on what he’s seeing at ground level with regard to employment and employer benefits provided.

Obamacare is another big Federal bureaucracy that the Democrats ramrodded through and on a personal level, every one of my physicians don’t like the ACA for a variety of reasons. Just do a Google search and see how most physicians see the act negatively affecting them and their patients. Here is a great opinion piece from the Wall Street Journal outlining the law's perverse incentives that will have the nation working fewer hours, and working those hours less productively: http://online.wsj.com/articles/casey...ity-1410218437

A recent survey of doctors by the Physicians Foundation finds that most give low grades to Obamacare. Some 46% of the doctors polled gave Obamacare a grade of “D” or “F” and 29% gave it a “C.” From this and other survey’s, it seems likely that a large majority of doctors have strongly negative view of the program although perhaps Roger can tell us what a “C” grade really means.

From the Rasmussen Reports: “Given the problems with the new law, 30% of Likely U.S. Voters still think Congress should repeal it entirely and start over again. But a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 52% prefer instead that Congress go through the law piece by piece and improve it. Just 13% want to leave the law as is.”

According the the Gallup Poll released on 11/17/14, enthusiasm for the law remains underwhelming and a majority of Americans disapprove of Obamacare, at 56 percent — a new high, Gallup said. “The law’s new low in approval — and new high in disapproval (56%) — could potentially have an impact on its future,” the pollster notes.

So then then why do you sit with the minority and claim that the ACA is so wonderful for us all?

I suspect that as long as we have a 24/7 cable news cycle that thrives on calamity, people will continue to be convinced that things are worse than they really are. O wise one, I’m glad you offer us a ray of hope.

By the way, here are some of the outside provocateurs and loony left wing groups that showed up in Ferguson as well as other hot spots across the nation. Just Google each group and "Ferguson" and you'll see their participation in protest....... As we know, not all of it was peaceful. Will any of the law breakers be prosecuted? You let me know of any news stories where any of these shitheads get prosecuted. If you remember, during the Presidential election Black Panthers taunted and made threats to whites and man with a night stick announced, “‘We’re tired of white supremacy.’ Did the first black attorney general send the FBI to arrest and then prosecute the Black Panthers or voter intimidation, HELL NO.

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www.handsupunited.org/
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http://www.mhoodies.org/
http://byp100.org/about/
http://www.seiu.org/2014/10/we-are-mike-brown.php
http://www.cbpm.org/nbpp.html
https://twitter.com/blackrebels_stl

I’m not going to debate you on the Obama administration scandals……. it would be futile to even try. Maybe because you’re a obsequious Obama bootlicker who’ll never believe that anyone in this administration has even a pimple on their ass. Or it could also be that you’re an eternal optimist hoping that your fella is gonna work out and be viewed as a great president in future history books.
“The*Gallup poll*found that the newly insured who bought coverage through the ACA were more satisfied with their health insurance than the overall insured population. Seventy-five percent of the newly insured were satisfied with the cost of their coverage compared to 61% of total insured population.”
http://www.gallup.com/poll/179396/ne...ood-marks.aspx
Polls also find that by individual component Obamacare is overwhelmingly popular. Of course the law should go through congress and be improved, just like every large piece of legislation like it has in the past.

I've had some similar experiences with doctors but I am about 50/50 on like dislike. My foot surgeon also commented that he couldn't wait until they “got that monkey out of office”

I don't think “it's so wonderful for us all” that would be a single payer system like medicare in my book. I just think it's better than what we had and when looking at the facts reasonably that is not really debatable. What I do know for sure is that 10 million more people are insured and costs are rising slower than they have in a long long time. Everything the naysayers predicted would happen never happened and that works for this bootlicker.

The economy is what it is, it could be better with more cooperation from both sides. To say he's running the country into the ground is just to be an ignorant puppet for the right. We've turned things around from the great recession better than every other civilized country. If a republican were in power you all would but thumping your chests with pride at the jobs data. In that regard you certainly are better than the pussy democrats, no argument there...

The people you point to at the protests are about as important to me as the KKK members being at the Darren Wilson rallies. Extremist will be extremist. There are people of all kinds of diversity taking part in protests against police violence in every major city in the US.

I believe you won't debate the scandals because you have nothing of substance to debate . PLEASE show us specifically where someone in these “scandals” has been found of any illegal wrong doing. If you can't, then there absolutely is some obsequious bootlicking going on, I suggest you might take a look in the mirror to actually see it though... I'll just continue to use common sense and critical thinking skills and yes I am absolutely an eternal optimist. We either make ourselves miserable, or we make ourselves happy. The amount of work is the same, but the results sure as hell are not. Good luck with that misery my friend...

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The Truth About Republicans by..George Carlin.

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