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Old 11-22-2014, 01:15 AM   #1
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Remember when the progressives scoffed at conservatives for pointing out that Obamacare would lead to rationing and death panels?

Ezekiel Emanuel, the architect of Obamacare and brother of former Obama chief of staff Rahm Emanuel now boldly states that he felt his life would be complete at age 75. Dr. Emanuel is director of the Clinical Bioethics Department at the U.S. National Institutes of Health. and recently penned a ghoulish piece for The Atlantic magazine. He is, at the time of his declaration last month, he is a healthy 57-year-old ……….. His article is titled "Why I Hope to Die at 75 - An argument that society and families—and you—will be better off if nature takes its course swiftly and promptly"

He writes:
“…...living too long is also a loss. It renders many of us, if not disabled, then faltering and declining, a state that may not be worse than death but is nonetheless deprived. It robs us of our creativity and ability to contribute to work, society, the world. It transforms how people experience us, relate to us, and, most important, remember us. We are no longer remembered as vibrant and engaged but as feeble, ineffectual, even pathetic.”

I wonder if he’ll have a change of heart at age 74….. ? *



Then we have Professor Jonathan Gruber, the other Obamacare architect who bragged about deceiving the “stupid” American people to secure passage of the bill, has been paid an estimated $5.2 million by the federal government and 12 state governments for consulting services to assist in the design and implementation of the Affordable Care Act.*

Gruber’s Obamacare-related financial bonanza is based, in part, on the ubiquitous use of his proprietary "Gruber Microsimulation Model" in virtually every executive and legislative entity involved in the design and implementation of Obamacare: the White House, the Department of Health and Human Services, the Congressional Budget Office (which is charged with providing Congress “independent” analysis of the impact of proposed legislation), and most state governments.



At a town hall meeting, broadcast from the White House East Room by ABC news, a woman named Jane Sturm told the story of her elderly mother, was told by an arrhythmia specialist that she was too old for a pacemaker. She ended up getting a second option, and the operation, for which Ms. Sturm credits her survival to 105 years.

President Obama said…."Look, the first thing for all of us to understand that is we actually have some -- some choices to make about how we want to deal with our own end-of-life care," Mr. Obama replied. After discussing ways "we as a culture and as a society [can start] to make better decisions within our own families and for ourselves," he continued that in general "at least we can let doctors know and your mom know that, you know what? Maybe this isn't going to help. Maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller."

*Obama shows himself not only to have no understanding of medicine, life, or the science of improving people's lives, but no empathy for those of us who have life threatening illnesses that require immediate medical intervention.

•White House Web page: "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan."

• The President’s weekly address: "If you like the plan you have, you can keep it. *If you like the doctor you have, you can keep your doctor, too."

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Birth Certificates, Obamacare, attacking the Constitution,Benghazi, Ebola, aren't you exhausted by the same ol debunked GOP conspiracy theories already?? You should be

Another day another debunked conspiracy http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/1...n_6201650.html
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Old 11-22-2014, 10:12 PM   #3
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Birth Certificate- Hillary
Ocare- everything that was said bad about this IS starting to come out. But we know it will continue to f be flawed in all its "glory".
Attacking the constitution- he continues to do. Even in the past HE SAID WAS NO LEGAL. Yet he still.does it years later.
Benghazi- done
Ebola-that could have gotten bad. American doctors are racist. Only black people in America died from it. The liberal said that.

Huffington post? REALLY?
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Birth Certificate- Hillary
Ocare- everything that was said bad about this IS starting to come out. But we know it will continue to f be flawed in all its "glory".
Attacking the constitution- he continues to do. Even in the past HE SAID WAS NO LEGAL. Yet he still.does it years later.
Benghazi- done
Ebola-that could have gotten bad. American doctors are racist. Only black people in America died from it. The liberal said that.

Huffington post? REALLY?
You can find the Benghazi report from any major news outlet Not sure why I will even bother with the rest of this because your incapable of thinking outside your bubble, but the Federalist Society, that liberal bastion had it's National Convention last week and it's brightest collection of Conservative constitutional scholars held a conference on Obama's Executive Action. They for the most part agreed that POTUS has the authority to do what he did.

P.S. Regarding the comments about US citizens being stupid, the truth hurts. All I need to say is Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boxer, Michelle Bachman, Sara Palin, Ted Cruz, 10% approval rating - 90+% re-elected

“I think the roots of prosecutorial discretion are extremely deep,” The practice is long and robust. The case law is robust. Let me put it this way: Suppose some president came to me and asked me in the office of legal counsel, ‘Is it okay for me to go ahead and defer the deportation proceedings of childhood arrival?’ Under the present state of the law, I think that would be an easy opinion to write. Yes.” I don’t know where in the Constitution there is a rule that if the president’s enactment affects too many people, he’s violating the Constitution, there is a difference between executing the law and making the law. If the Congress has enacted a statute that grants discretionary authority for the administrative agency or the president to fill in the gaps, to write the regulations that actually make the statute operative, those regulations to all intents and purposes make the law. I agree this can make us very uncomfortable. I just don’t see the argument for unconstitutionality”.

Regarding Obama comments before he changed his mind

“But the president has the power to independently interpret. He can come across uncovered evidence. Just like the courts can reverse themselves, the presidents should be able to reverse themselves, right? Why would we give the Supreme Court the power to reverse itself and not give the president that power?”

We got 99 problems, why waste so much time and energy on fake bullshit...

P.S. Regarding Grubers remark about the "stupid" American people, get over it, the truth hurts. I present to you Nancy Pelosi, Michele Bachman, Sara Palin, Ted Cruz, Rick Perry and the 10% approval rating 90+% re-election rating for your approval

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Birth Certificates, Obamacare, attacking the Constitution,Benghazi, Ebola, aren't you exhausted by the same ol debunked GOP conspiracy theories already?? You should be

Another day another debunked conspiracy http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/1...n_6201650.html
Bob,

Don't you see some problems with what Emanuel is suggesting? Don't you think it's possible that his own personal philosophy of health and health care just might influence his major role in writing the ACA?

Have you had a chance to actually hear some of the comments from Gruber? Do you think what he has done was ethical? Please take a moment to watch this compilation of what Gruber said and how the administration is distancing themselves from the reality. You'll enjoy these two...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G790p0LcgbI and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtfRL2HkLDA

Keep in mind 54% of the country does not want Obamacare. I've asked most of my physicians if they see any benefits from the ACA..... none of them like what is happening to their practices and fear that many procedures and prescription medicines will not be covered with the bureaucratization of health care. Watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j7d_ec27Wc#t=39

Bob...... this is not a GOP conspiracy. This is OUR healthcare system going down the tubes. Diana's surgery was initially denied based on the new guidelines. Simple things like getting her prescription pain medicines now requires that must see her physician every thirty days in order to get them. If we take off on a long trip, she has to come back to Santa Cruz in order to get a new script for her meds. Those new regulations mean that patients must present a written prescription to receive the drug, and doctors will no longer be able to call in a prescription to the pharmacy.
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Bob,

Don't you see some problems with what Emanuel is suggesting?

Have you had a chance to actually hear some of the comments from Gruber? Do you think what he has done is just fine? Please take a moment to watch this compilation of what Gruber said and how the administration is distancing themselves from the reality. You'll enjoy it...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtfRL2HkLDA

Keep in mind 54% of the country does not want Obamacare. I've asked most of my physicians if they see any benefits from the ACA..... none of them like what is happening to their practices and fear that many procedures and prescription medicines will not be covered with the bureaucratization of health care. Watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j7d_ec27Wc#t=39

Bob...... this is not a GOP conspiracy. This is OUR healthcare system going down the tubes. Diana's surgery was initially denied based on the new guidelines. Simple things like getting her prescription pain medicines now requires that must see her physician every thirty days in order to get them. If we take off on a long trip, she has to come back to Santa Cruz in order to get a new script for her meds. Those new regulations mean that patients must present a written prescription to receive the drug, and doctors will no longer be able to call in a prescription to the pharmacy.
Howie, I don't agree with Emanuel, but he's entitled to his opinion and it has nothing to do with the bullshit death panel conspiracy theory. The death panels don't exist, never did.

As far as Gruber goes, what he's saying is the truth, Obamacare was setup so healthy people paid more than their fair share, a "tax" and sick people paid less than their fair share. The idea being that someday you'll be sick too and getting old/cancer shouldn't bankrupt you. Obviously he's a pompous ass and comes across terribly, but so what. The premise is the same regardless of how poorly he conveyed it.

The prescription issue is about fighting back against an opiate abuse epidemic. Not convenient, but just an effort to try and stem the flow.

Now I'm off to dinner with 2 of my favorite conservative brothers Scotty and Wes. Ruth Chris no less
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Sarah palin not has been elected in 9 years.

You cant argue with what Rick Perry has done econmically with Texas. That state has created like 40+% of the countries job growth.

I get why you are worried with Ted Cruz. He is a real good.

Benghazi- maybe you didnt see that word, DONE

As for Pelosi and Boxer they are to old dinosaurs that need to retire. The American stupidity is really about the ones who voted thinking they were telling the truth. The admin new they had a lot of LOW INFORMED VOTERS voting for them once they came out and said 2500$ cheaper and health care for all. Last I checked 64 million voted for O. 59 mill voted against him.

What O has done with the non- deportion Amnesty thing, is allow law breakers to continue to break our laws. How will his admin determine who is not a violent person or criminal. So many stories have been brought up about death, rapist, drug smugglers who were released from jail/prison and went out and commited another crime. Or who have been deported then retur ed and commited another crime. No POTUS should be allowed to pick and choose which laws be wants to interpret. Thats NOT how it works. AGAIN, NO POTUS. He has 1 job and that is to protect our sovern nation and all that intails.
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Wish you could have joined us too Howie. Great meal and company and Scott picked up the tab. I got a free wine lesson too
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